Yes Edinburgh West AGM minutes
Newliston Arms 7.30pm Mon 2 October 2017
1. Ian Grant opened the meeting by welcoming everybody, and apologised that Joanna Cherry couldn’t be our speaker tonight – she’s in Catalonia observing their fight for Independence.
2.No Livestream is available for people who couldn’t make the meeting.
3. Apologies: Jim Carey, Rene Hamilton, Paul Haldane, Derek Mullins
4. There were 14 attendees. Email addresses given will be added to the mailing list unless anyone objects.
5. Gerry Mulvenna gave the Treasurer’s report. Finances are healthy, with a balance of nearly £700.
6. Bob Glen gave the Secretary’s report: Continue reading “YES Edinburgh West AGM minutes Mon 2 Oct 2017”
Newliston Arms function room 78-82 Main Street, Kirkliston EH29 9AB
1. Progress this year: brief Treasurer and Secretary reports
2. Vision for next year: meetings, events, campaigns, social media
3. Election of office-bearers
- Given the nature of this event (and the fact that several groups were in action simultaneously), this is more of one person’s view of it rather than a minute.
- A Livestream broadcast wasn’t appropriate (or possible).
- There were 18 attendees. Email addresses given will be added to the mailing list unless anyone objects.
- Peter Curran gave an overview of the history of facilitated workshops, and outlined his experience of using these successfully in business. He then asked for opinions on what we needed to do next as a Yes movement/ a local Yes group, and a short discussion ensued.
- Peter then asked whether people thought we needed
- More independence within the UK
- Don’t know / prefer not to say
Everybody moved to the A group.
- Peter then outlined the possible routes to Independence
- By a democratic process within the UK 6 chose this (as per IndyRef1, ratified by UK)
- By a democratic process within Scotland 6 chose this (IndyRef2 not ratified by UK, like Catalonia)
- By a non-democratic process 4 chose this (refusing cooperation, civil disobedience, armed struggle, UDI without referendum) – or undecided
- Peter then asked what are the difficulties between the Yes movement and Indy-supporting political parties?
Responses included: sharing political power, infighting, lack of structure, the media propaganda de-legitimising the idea of independence, finance (it’s easier for political parties than Yes to raise funds)
- Peter then asked who thought
- The SNP must get behind the Yes movement 7 chose this
- The Yes movement must get behind the SNP 2 chose this
- A combination of both 8 chose this
This was then discussed in terms of the strengths and weaknesses of both
– the Yes movement being single focus, and a mass movement
– the SNP being multi-focus, where members hold shared values and some (but not all) shared views. The key difference being that a party aims to elect representatives to parliament, and possibly to govern.
- Finally, Peter asked for comments on what our Yes group’s strategy should be, and a number of options were identified:
- Wait for Brexit to become a disaster, and everybody will be driven to Yes
- Tackle the media imbalance – using our own social media and supporting indy-positive media
- Tread water until IndyRef2 is announced (educating ourselves in the meantime)
The groups discussed what might be done, then shared their results with each other. Some themes which emerged in my group were: learning how to do targeted messaging (a la Brexit and Trump), possibly starting with voter surveys and better understanding our local constituency; registering website names which could pre-empt the No side; thinking of Scotland and acting as a small nation.
10. Ian Grant finished with an overview of an SIC meeting he had attended, and some announcements:
Mon 2 Oct (Newliston Arms 7.30pm): AGM (anybody keen to hold a formal position will be most welcome!)
Mon 6 Nov (Newliston Arms 7.30pm): Michelle Thomson and Roger Mullin on “Brexit: what might it mean for business in Scotland?”
We have published a number of briefing notes (as online E-Flets, rather than old-fashioned leaflets!), book previews and film previews – all comments welcome! If you want to make comments, set up, lead or join groups on any other subject, please email Bob Glen.
Gerry Mulvenna has implemented a donation facility on the website.
Please subscribe to the mailing list on our website, like our Facebook page, follow us on Twitter, look us up on the National Yes Registry, and find a library of useful information on the Yes liaison Forum.
1. Anne Donohoe opened the meeting by welcoming everybody, and introduced our speakers, Jan Goulding from English Scots for Yes, and Selma Rahman from Women for Independence. 2. A Livestream broadcast is available for people who couldn’t make the meeting. 3. There were 23 attendees. Email addresses given will be added to the mailing list unless anyone objects. 4. Jan gave an overview of the thinking behind English Scots for Yes – an organisation for English people living in Scotland, who share our view of a better country – which campaigns for Scottish Independence, believes that it is possible to embrace another country without losing your own identity, and tries to dispel the myth that Indy supporters are anti-English. Originally from Yorkshire (geographically and culturally halfway between London and Edinburgh), Jan both feels the alienation of the rest of England from London, and understands the threat that English people feel because of the lack of a unified national culture. An estimate of 420,000-440,000 of English Scots voters was given – representing a significant chunk of the No vote. She outlined what ESfY have done, and intend to do again – in publicity, street stalls, countering the caustic media, and trying to raise the quality of debate on the issues. Jan took, and addressed, questions during her presentation – about the nature of mass movements, and the primary importance of Independence. Website: http://www.englishscotsforyes.org/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/englishscot4yes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/englishscotsforyes/
- Selma then gave an overview of Women for Independence, an open and diverse network of women who aim to improve the representation of women in public and political life throughout Scotland, campaigning for Scottish independence, greater democracy, gender equality and social justice. She had 3 main themes:
- Convincing women – by asking questions (what do you want to change?) rather than aggressive, challenging argument and directly asking women to abandon their previous opinions.
- Female participation in politics – starting from “ordinary” politics – health, inoculations, clean water – which she experienced directly in Bangladesh, then in the voluntary sector in the UK. Politics must start by translating people’s needs into policies – making the point that the unionist politicians have lost touch with people, and are left without any real policies to help them.
- The effect of austerity on women
– the 18% gender pay gap, reducing only because men’s wages are falling – 80% of people in the lower paid sector are women – the return to Victorian levels of poverty, even in working households – the inequity of the pension system, penalising women at all stages – in education, because of their low wages, career breaks while having a family, paying the small NI stamp on the assumption that they would be provided for by a man, and the £5bn Treasury saving by raising their retirement age. Selma took questions throughout the presentation, covering, among others, the primary importance of Independence, Basic Income, how to address the lack of women on panels, in the media and politics, the protection afforded to women like Michelle Thomson and Cat Boyd, and the adversarial nature of UK politics . Website: http://www.womenforindependence.org/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/WomenForIndy Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/women4independence/
- Anne finished with some announcements:
Mon 11 Sep (Newliston Inn 7.30pm): Ross Greer on “Education strategy for an independent Scotland” (please note change of date, due to risk of heavy traffic to/from Queensferry Crossing) Mon 2 Oct (Newliston Inn 7.30pm): AGM Mon 6 Nov (Newliston Inn 7.30pm): Michelle Thomson and Roger Mullin on “Brexit: what might it mean for business in Scotland?”
7.1 We have published a number of briefing notes (as online E-Flets, rather than old-fashioned leaflets!), book previews and film previews – all comments welcome! If you want to make comments, set up, lead or join groups on any other subject, please email Bob Glen. 7.2 Gerry Mulvenna has implemented a donation facility on the website. 7.3 Please subscribe to the mailing list on our website, like our Facebook page, follow us on Twitter, look us up on the National Yes Registry, and find a library of useful information on the Yes liaison Forum.
- Ian Grant opened the meeting by welcoming everybody, and introduced our speaker, Jason Baird from National Yes Registry.
- Apologies to people who couldn’t make the meeting, a Livestream broadcast wasn’t appropriate for this event.
- There were 14 attendees. Email addresses given will be added to the mailing list unless anyone objects.
- Jason give a demonstration of version 1.1 of the IndyApp (from the Apple Appstore or Google Play if you have an iOS or Android smartphone, or the NYR website https://nationalyesregistry.scot/), together with help videos (which are available within the app – click on the ? symbol – or on the website Demo films). He explained that the design ideas mainly came from running the Largs Yes shop in IndyRef1.
We’re on the National Yes Registry IndyApp!
A plan for the way forward
Nicola Sturgeon has set out how together we will seek to support, engage and grow the movement.
Send us your ideas.
Jason Baird will bring us up to date on the National Yes Registry and answer your questions. He will describe how the grass-roots are coming together across Scotland in preparation for Independence campaigning. In particular, he will describe the networking platform tool ‘the IndyApp’ – the NYR’s concrete response to the many practical problems commonly encountered at grass-root level by Yessers during the heat of IndyRef1. The current version allows communication between individual members of a group, communication as a group and finally, communication between all groups at a national level, and is ready for all groups to start using now. He will also discuss how to use the platform to initiate and organise campaigns. All welcome! Function room of the Doocot, 731 Ferry Rd, Edinburgh EH4 2UA